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Traveller-digest    Thursday, December 16 1999    Volume 1999 : Number 1503<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Re: Traveller News Service<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
Re Laws affecting Space Travel from the US [OT]<BR>
Re Guns<BR>
Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
re Marines & Cutlasses<BR>
Re: Gun Control - been there, done that, Mark will provide the gravball T-shirt...<BR>
Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
US Constituional Law [OT]<BR>
Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
RE:  List Members in an Active Campaign Wager<BR>
Re: independent Terran invention of jump drive? sure<BR>
Re: technology advances<BR>
Re: Munchkins link wanted!<BR>
Re:  Marines & Cutlasses<BR>
Re: AHA! (Inspiration strikes!) (Was: Re: The Rise and Supposed Decline of the RPG Empire)<BR>
Re: chicks with guns, and 3I porno<BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:58:12 EST<BR>
From: Sethkimmel@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller News Service<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 12/14/99 2:18:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, <BR>
rboleyn@paradise.net.nz writes:<BR>
<BR>
<< You mean like your little war of independence was a civil war? >><BR>
<BR>
Actually it was...A third of the population were loyalists (who got kicked <BR>
out of the US after and became Canadians with a justifiable grudge..), a <BR>
third Patriots, and a third just trying to make a living. I think there were <BR>
almost as many Americans wearing Red as Englishmen. In the Carolinas, there <BR>
was a real viscous civil war as most of the English forces were loyalist <BR>
Americans.<BR>
<BR>
Ob Trav: Use this scenario for a balkanized world...<BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:00:57 EST<BR>
From: Sethkimmel@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 12/14/99 3:08:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, <BR>
shadow@krypton.rain.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<< Or maybe one of the characters is a Levite? :-) >><BR>
<BR>
supposedly I'm a Cohen (I find it hard to believe the genealogy is still <BR>
uninterrupted from Aaron...), so I can open it...:-)<BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:04:14 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re Laws affecting Space Travel from the US [OT]<BR>
<BR>
>I know of no law - In the US at least - that restricts any private<BR>
>individual<BR>
>(or corporation for that matter) from engaging in space launch.<BR>
>The reasons "private enterprise" hasn't gotten into the space game<BR>
>on a free lance basis is that nobody can figure out how to do it<BR>
>less expensively than the "ineficient government bueraucracy."<BR>
<BR>
Actually, there are restrictions in place: Government agencies may ignore<BR>
the FARs, but private corporations may not; if it flys in the US, is not<BR>
owned by a federal government agency, and carries people, it falls under<BR>
the FAA. Anything with an enclosed cockpit needs a type certificate from<BR>
the FAA. The FAA doesn't issue type certs for rockets, at least according<BR>
to the last set of FAR's I have seen ('92). Once it breaks 28 (IIRC) miles,<BR>
it isn't subject to the FAA anymore, but getting to 28 miles without<BR>
violating some FAR is going to be amusing...<BR>
<BR>
And if it carries people for money, it falls under the air-carrier rules.<BR>
At least  US customs has declared that there is no tarif on goods from<BR>
space. ;)<BR>
<BR>
[FAR= Federal Aviation Regulation]<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:43:27 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re Guns<BR>
<BR>
[not bothering to quote the bits about firearms]<BR>
<BR>
Typically, IMTU, firearms posession is blanket legal on the Imperial books,<BR>
but is subject to local laws outside the extrality zones.<BR>
<BR>
Imperial Nobles typically are allowed to wear a blade or foil openly, but<BR>
not heavier weapons unless locally legal. Active Duty Imp Marines may wear<BR>
a cutlass when on pass or liberty. On Duty Imperial Military may carry<BR>
their issue weapon(s), subject to local command restrictions. Huscarles are<BR>
considered Active Duty Imperial Forces IMTU. Also, many worlds IMTU have a<BR>
reduced law level for Imperial (and, if applicable, Local) Nobles;<BR>
typically I find this by LL+1-1d3 (0 to 2 below regular LL).<BR>
<BR>
IMTU, the 3I requires certain weapons to be regulated, including Chem,<BR>
Nuke, Bio, and Fusion based weapons. To get such weapons, one must have a<BR>
valid Imperial Mercenary Liscence, part of the chartering procedure. It is<BR>
also required for purchase of Powered Armors (Battle Dress). PGMP's and<BR>
FGMP's are regulated by the Imperium, as are Battle Dress.<BR>
<BR>
A Ship's master may purchase Det-Laser missiles... but if he uses one<BR>
inappropriately, it may be the end of him... Violations fo the Rules of<BR>
Warfare are typically considered treason or multiple count murder, both of<BR>
which are imperial crimes...<BR>
<BR>
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interface!"<BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:08:22 -0600<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
One Question Seth,<BR>
Can/do folks still trace their lineage to the Levites?<BR>
I always figured that the one draw back to getting the Temple rebuilt was<BR>
the<BR>
actual 2000 year drought in actual Jewish priests?<BR>
<BR>
TV<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Sethkimmel@aol.com <Sethkimmel@aol.com><BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 10:06 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Silly Traveller<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>In a message dated 12/14/99 3:08:20 AM Pacific Standard Time,<BR>
>shadow@krypton.rain.com writes:<BR>
><BR>
><< Or maybe one of the characters is a Levite? :-) >><BR>
><BR>
>supposedly I'm a Cohen (I find it hard to believe the genealogy is still<BR>
>uninterrupted from Aaron...), so I can open it...:-)<BR>
><BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:20:16 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: re Marines & Cutlasses<BR>
<BR>
>Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:49:46 +1100<BR>
>From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" <jimpeta@primus.com.au><BR>
>Subject: Marines & Cutlasses<BR>
><BR>
>    I apologise if this has been raised before but why do Marines get the<BR>
>Cutlass? They never used them historically, Marines started out using<BR>
>Muskets and Bayonets and even the officers used a different sword. Enlisted<BR>
>Naval personnel were the main users of the Cutlass, they also used Boarding<BR>
>Axes and Boarding Pikes as well all though these don't seem to be an option.<BR>
>    Jim L.<BR>
<BR>
The US Marines did, in fact, use cutlases in their early days. The marine<BR>
NCO dres side-arm, accroding to the LPM, is still the cutlass. Officers use<BR>
a mamaluke hitled sword. Early US marines carried cutlasses in addition to<BR>
Muskets (NS1 and NS2 NROTC/NJROTC texts). Also remember, US Marines ARE<BR>
(Technically) "Naval Personell" (the USMC is part of the Department of the<BR>
Navy).<BR>
<BR>
In the context of Traveller, the boarding pike, bayonette, and Boarding Axe<BR>
(A modified halberd, IIRC) are all two handed, and thus failry useless once<BR>
the gravity fails. A Cutlass, being one-handed, and having the half-basket,<BR>
allows one to use the other hand for a hold (On opponent or on wall). Being<BR>
a slashing and a mass weapon, and having a sharp point, it can rip/puncture<BR>
vacc suits, crush through soft armors, and cut exposed flesh; additionally,<BR>
a cutlass, being curved, requires less swing room than an equivalent<BR>
mass/pen straight bladed sword.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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interface!"<BR>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:28:30 +1000<BR>
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au<BR>
Subject: Re: Gun Control - been there, done that, Mark will provide the gravball T-shirt...<BR>
<BR>
Dear Folks -<BR>
<BR>
Jim said:<BR>
>>Can we please avoid the gun control topic?<BR>
><BR>
>    Well, it's just raged across the Space 1889 list and it seems a fixture<BR>
>of the various Twilight 2000 lists.<BR>
<BR>
I think Peez is peezed because it only recently (Nov 1999) flared on the TML. My<BR>
fault, I think, because I asked about the "well-regulated militia" line.<BR>
<BR>
Actually, "flared" is a little too strong. The responses I received, including<BR>
direct discussions with Mark Cook, were very polite explanations of the Second<BR>
Amendment:<BR>
     - "militia" = males between 17 and 45;<BR>
     - "well-regulated" = "well-trained/equipped", not "well-controlled"; and<BR>
     - the difference between "organised" (National Guard) and "unorganised"<BR>
(everyone else)<BR>
In other words, a whole lot of background detail I never knew before.<BR>
<BR>
We even had an ObTravRef arise out of this:<BR>
<BR>
<I stated> "I believe the key in both cases [sex ed and firearm safety - shows<BR>
how much we wandered OT!] is to teach consequences and therefore responsibility.<BR>
The big thing people seem to be into these days is "my rights!" - without<BR>
recognising that with rights, comes responsibility.<BR>
<BR>
Funnily enough, you can almost get an ObTrav out of this - this goes to the<BR>
heart of the concept of "noblesse oblige". Sure, you are born into a privileged<BR>
class, with all the associated perks - you do realise that you are expected to<BR>
work for them, don't you?"<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:33:28 EST<BR>
From: Sethkimmel@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 12/15/99 3:01:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, <BR>
dhealey@giant.net.au writes:<BR>
<BR>
<< <BR>
 Wasn't the bloodiest hour of combat in history at Chancellorsville or was<BR>
 it The Seven Days ?  Something like 5000 dead in an hour ?  Or is my<BR>
 failing memory leading me on ?  IIRC, the bloodiest *day* was Day 1 of The<BR>
 Somme. >><BR>
<BR>
I think 7000 died in 15-20 minutes at Cold Harbor...<BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:30:44 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: US Constituional Law [OT]<BR>
<BR>
>In the case of gun control by refusing to hear 2nd amendment cases the<BR>
>Supreme Court is allowing state and federal gun control laws to exist<BR>
>and be enforced regardless of thier constitutional legality.<BR>
><BR>
The US Supreme Court also allowed a limited exception to the Miranda<BR>
Laws... so long as the officer reads it to you, it doesn't matter that you<BR>
don't speak the language it is read in if you have not spoken to the<BR>
officer yet. I agree that not hearing is not the same as hearing and<BR>
upholding, but it definitely is much closer than to Hearing and Revoking.<BR>
<BR>
>It strikes me that this is a weakness in the US system - if the Supreme<BR>
>Court won't hear cases the constitution can be ignored. How are Supreme<BR>
>Court members selected?<BR>
><BR>
Presidential Appointment, which must be confirmed by Congress. Serves for<BR>
life, or until choses to abdicate. Almost like non-hereditary nobility.<BR>
<BR>
Ob Trav: IMTU, the "Supreme Court" is the Moot. The Moot can not overturn<BR>
the edicts of the current emperor, but CAN oust him, and then "Reinterpret"<BR>
his statements.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:48:25 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
<BR>
- --- David Healey <dhealey@giant.net.au> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Will some of the more learned members of the list<BR>
> correct me if I'm wrong<BR>
> here, buuuut .....<BR>
> <BR>
> Wasn't the bloodiest hour of combat in history at<BR>
> Chancellorsville or was<BR>
> it The Seven Days ?  Something like 5000 dead in an<BR>
> hour ?  Or is my<BR>
> failing memory leading me on ?  IIRC, the bloodiest<BR>
> *day* was Day 1 of The<BR>
> Somme.<BR>
<BR>
There's a lot of competition for the bloodiest day,<BR>
week, month and year of war. And then of course it<BR>
depends what you call a "war". Some speak of "war<BR>
against the people", and in that case China has a<BR>
bloody history, with some 30 million killed during the<BR>
Cultural Revolution (about ten years), and Stalin came<BR>
close in the 30s, with about 25 million killed (at one<BR>
point, one in five of the adult male population was in<BR>
a labour camp!) However, for myself, I call that plain<BR>
old genocide, and "war" means when someone's shooting<BR>
and someone's shooting back (the April Rising in the<BR>
Warsaw Ghetto, as opposed to Babi Yar).<BR>
<BR>
Most of the famous battles were bloody ones:<BR>
Chansolerville, Antietam, First and Second Bull Run,<BR>
Normandy, Monte Cassino, Stalingrad...<BR>
<BR>
And I stick to my contention, the more similar the<BR>
nations, the more bloody the conflict. Of course it's<BR>
true that similar tend to be closer, and therefore<BR>
easier to fight with, but that's not _always_ the<BR>
case. Look at the Hindus and Moslems in<BR>
India/Pakistan, for example. Very different religions<BR>
and ideas of how to live, yet a long and frequently<BR>
bloody conflict.<BR>
<BR>
I guess what I'm really saying is that neither<BR>
difference nor similarity _cause_ conflict (though<BR>
similarity makes conflict bloodier, often), but that<BR>
something innate in humans causes conflict. We start<BR>
the fight, think of an excuse later, all too often.<BR>
<BR>
We see this nowadays. No sooner does the Soviet Union<BR>
collapse than we find the West at war with Iraq, and<BR>
threatening other such nations like Sudan and North<BR>
Korea. Someone once said that once you base your<BR>
security on an absolute and ultimate weapon, like the<BR>
atom bomb, it becomes psychologically necessary to<BR>
believe in an absolute and ultimate enemy.<BR>
<BR>
There are many contenders for Bloodiest Day, but let's<BR>
face it: armies over the years have killed far more<BR>
civilians than soldiers. We don't like to focus on it<BR>
because it's not particularly glorious (like the fact<BR>
that most soldiers never shoot at the enemy), and<BR>
doesn't make for great epic poems and movies. But it's<BR>
true. <BR>
<BR>
ObTrav: (this also will be flamebait, I know, but I'm<BR>
just learning the history...) Maybe that's why there's<BR>
so little talk in Trav canon about planet-destroying<BR>
weapons (aside from any distaste Miller and his<BR>
co-writers may have felt for the topic): the Solomani<BR>
have no "ultimate and absolute enemy." They are an<BR>
empire without serious challengers.<BR>
<BR>
=====<BR>
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Melbourne<BR>
Australia<BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:48:29 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: (Way OT and possible Flamebait)<BR>
<BR>
- --- David Healey <dhealey@giant.net.au> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Will some of the more learned members of the list<BR>
> correct me if I'm wrong<BR>
> here, buuuut .....<BR>
> <BR>
> Wasn't the bloodiest hour of combat in history at<BR>
> Chancellorsville or was<BR>
> it The Seven Days ?  Something like 5000 dead in an<BR>
> hour ?  Or is my<BR>
> failing memory leading me on ?  IIRC, the bloodiest<BR>
> *day* was Day 1 of The<BR>
> Somme.<BR>
<BR>
There's a lot of competition for the bloodiest day,<BR>
week, month and year of war. And then of course it<BR>
depends what you call a "war". Some speak of "war<BR>
against the people", and in that case China has a<BR>
bloody history, with some 30 million killed during the<BR>
Cultural Revolution (about ten years), and Stalin came<BR>
close in the 30s, with about 25 million killed (at one<BR>
point, one in five of the adult male population was in<BR>
a labour camp!) However, for myself, I call that plain<BR>
old genocide, and "war" means when someone's shooting<BR>
and someone's shooting back (the April Rising in the<BR>
Warsaw Ghetto, as opposed to Babi Yar).<BR>
<BR>
Most of the famous battles were bloody ones:<BR>
Chansolerville, Antietam, First and Second Bull Run,<BR>
Normandy, Monte Cassino, Stalingrad...<BR>
<BR>
And I stick to my contention, the more similar the<BR>
nations, the more bloody the conflict. Of course it's<BR>
true that similar tend to be closer, and therefore<BR>
easier to fight with, but that's not _always_ the<BR>
case. Look at the Hindus and Moslems in<BR>
India/Pakistan, for example. Very different religions<BR>
and ideas of how to live, yet a long and frequently<BR>
bloody conflict.<BR>
<BR>
I guess what I'm really saying is that neither<BR>
difference nor similarity _cause_ conflict (though<BR>
similarity makes conflict bloodier, often), but that<BR>
something innate in humans causes conflict. We start<BR>
the fight, think of an excuse later, all too often.<BR>
<BR>
We see this nowadays. No sooner does the Soviet Union<BR>
collapse than we find the West at war with Iraq, and<BR>
threatening other such nations like Sudan and North<BR>
Korea. Someone once said that once you base your<BR>
security on an absolute and ultimate weapon, like the<BR>
atom bomb, it becomes psychologically necessary to<BR>
believe in an absolute and ultimate enemy.<BR>
<BR>
There are many contenders for Bloodiest Day, but let's<BR>
face it: armies over the years have killed far more<BR>
civilians than soldiers. We don't like to focus on it<BR>
because it's not particularly glorious (like the fact<BR>
that most soldiers never shoot at the enemy), and<BR>
doesn't make for great epic poems and movies. But it's<BR>
true. <BR>
<BR>
ObTrav: (this also will be flamebait, I know, but I'm<BR>
just learning the history...) Maybe that's why there's<BR>
so little talk in Trav canon about planet-destroying<BR>
weapons (aside from any distaste Miller and his<BR>
co-writers may have felt for the topic): the Solomani<BR>
have no "ultimate and absolute enemy." They are an<BR>
empire without serious challengers.<BR>
<BR>
=====<BR>
KA Schuant<BR>
member: Chef's Guild International, Sporting Shooter's Assoc, Amnesty Int, Carlton Soccer Club<BR>
Melbourne<BR>
Australia<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:49:07 -0600<BR>
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
Subject: RE:  List Members in an Active Campaign Wager<BR>
<BR>
On 12/12/99 at 11:00 AM,  "Vincent P. Runci" <vahid@prodigy.net> said:<BR>
<BR>
>     Regarding the wager on list members actually engaged in a<BR>
>current campaign, I have a horrible confession to make.   I am one of<BR>
>"those" people.  I love Traveller but I haven't actually played in<BR>
>quite some time (since I enlisted in the Army).  Anyway the comment<BR>
>somebody made (sorry but I don't have the name available) that said<BR>
>in effect that we should at least be involved in a PBEM campaign<BR>
>intrigued me.  <BR>
<BR>
That was me.  I wanted to get back to you sooner, but this has been<BR>
finals week here at the college and I've been busy.<BR>
<BR>
>I would very much like to be in an active campaign,<BR>
>but I don't know where to look for PBEM type stuff. Could somebody<BR>
>send me some information?   Thanks<BR>
<BR>
Mine is full, at the moment, but lurkers are welcome.  If you've<BR>
never been involved with a roleplaying done by email it might be a<BR>
good idea to observe a couple for a while and see if "it's for you."<BR>
<BR>
About somewhere to look...<BR>
<BR>
www.pbem.com -- Lists *lots* and lots of games in various genre,<BR>
                has tools and "How to" articles.  Not much in the<BR>
                way of Traveller last time I looked, though.<BR>
<BR>
www.phoenyx.net -- Hosts several games.  There use to be Traveller<BR>
                games here, but I think they have moved or died.<BR>
                <BR>
www.onelist.com -- Thousands and thousands of lists, including an<BR>
                unknown number of Traveller oriented PBEMS...mine<BR>
                included.<BR>
                <BR>
www.downport.com -- Has Traveller oriented classifieds.  Last I<BR>
                looked this included a few "Game wanted/players<BR>
                wanted" ads.<BR>
                <BR>
It would be nice if there were a good list of Traveller PBEMS on the<BR>
web somewhere. I can't get you the address of one, though.<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:58:23 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: independent Terran invention of jump drive? sure<BR>
<BR>
Thomas Vickers wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >Have the Templars approved this guy?  What's his<BR>
> >security clearance?  He obviously knows too much.<BR>
> <BR>
> He's being dealt with.  Can you say recruit or die?<BR>
<BR>
Actually, it's "recruit _on two_ die six, 7- for success."<BR>
<BR>
Applicable DMs are left as an exercise for the student.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:57:53 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: technology advances<BR>
<BR>
> On 12/15/1999 00:46, Bruce Macintosh wrote:<BR>
> > <BR>
> > Current tech is straining it a little; Daedalus<BR>
> had a<BR>
> > laser fusion drive; we can't even build a laser<BR>
> fusion setup<BR>
> > that gets out more energy when its on the ground<BR>
> filling<BR>
> > several entire buildings.<BR>
> > <BR>
> > And Daedalus was automated in spite of a<BR>
> hundred-year<BR>
> > mission duration; NASA can't even build something<BR>
> autonamous<BR>
> > that can manage to land on Mars...<BR>
<BR>
The Daedalus engine was not going to be a reactor,<BR>
which is a reaction that sustains itself without any<BR>
energy put in, but a series of explosions, like lots<BR>
of little bombs, or, indeed, like a conventional<BR>
rocket. We can make an explosion, but not a reactor,<BR>
just as the Chinese made fireworks 2000 years before<BR>
we were able to make a steam engine. It's one thing to<BR>
make it go "whoosh!" in a straight line, another to<BR>
make something you can turn around, make go faster, go<BR>
slower, turn off and start again, store the power<BR>
generated, etc...<BR>
<BR>
The automation question is a fair one, the Mars probe<BR>
comments likewise. It's true  NASA's budget has been<BR>
cut, and as we've seen in many areas (not least in<BR>
British Rail and their recent disaster), cutting<BR>
budget means cutting the less glorious parts, like<BR>
safety and reliability. But a personal opinion here:<BR>
twenty years ago probes were sent out for less money,<BR>
and were heaps simpler, and lasted longer than<BR>
expected. Voyager 2, Pioneer 11, they're still sending<BR>
back data, for God's sake! And they were only expected<BR>
to last until 1982! But the ones we send out now are<BR>
much much more complex. <BR>
The moral of the story according to Kyle is: KISS!<BR>
(Keep It Simple, Stupid!) My father has an Apple IIc;<BR>
it's not compatible with today's software, but for him<BR>
it's just a word processor, so it works. He also has a<BR>
television he bought in 1978, and that still works<BR>
also. Me, I bought a IBM 286, and it self-destructed<BR>
before it even had a chance to get obsolete. Ditto<BR>
with a Digital television set.<BR>
The more complex the system, the more chance it'll go<BR>
kaput. <BR>
So maybe the petrol tank and old concrete mixer for a<BR>
spaceship ain't such a bad idea after all...<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:10:22 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Munchkins link wanted!<BR>
<BR>
Volker Greimann wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> Hi all,<BR>
> could someone please repost the link with the munchkin references? I thought<BR>
> I had saved the link, but cant find it anymore...<BR>
> Volker<BR>
<BR>
Here's the first one posted:<BR>
<BR>
http://www.hut.fi/~vesanto/link.fun/players.txt<BR>
<BR>
(I didn't bookmark the other one.)<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:12:44 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re:  Marines & Cutlasses<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
<BR>
>I vote for axes.<BR>
<BR>
>Even better, How about Chainsaws?<BR>
>Imagine that, Battledress and chainsaws. <BR>
<BR>
Some miniatures out there seem to express this same<BR>
idea.  <BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:09:59 -0800<BR>
From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
Subject: Re: AHA! (Inspiration strikes!) (Was: Re: The Rise and Supposed Decline of the RPG Empire)<BR>
<BR>
Leonard Erickson <shadow@krypton.rain.com> wrote:<BR>
Jason T. Barnabas <cybernaut@netzero.net> wrote:<BR>
> > Leonard Erickson <shadow@krypton.rain.com> wrote:<BR>
> >> AHA! (Inspiration strikes!)<BR>
> >><BR>
> >> *This* is how to have some of Grandfather's kids survive. He wote them<BR>
> >> off after he saw that the ship didn't make turnover. 200,000 years for<BR>
> >> the rest of the universe has been a decade or so for them...<BR>
> >><BR>
> >> Only problem is that they'll be about 200,000 light years (something<BR>
> >> over 61,000 parsecs) away.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Not necessarily.  Space, after all, is not flat.  If the ship<BR>
> > failed to make the turnover, then perhaps it got<BR>
> > redirected by one or more of the dips (gravity wells) in<BR>
> > the road.<BR>
><BR>
> At anything remotely *approaching* c it'd take a *dangerously* close<BR>
> pass to a black hole to chjange course significantly.<BR>
<BR>
How many times have I been told that it is impossible to<BR>
develope speeds anywhere near the speed of light?<BR>
<BR>
> > Coincidence is the stuff that legends are made of.<BR>
> > Maybe it even made a great circle and the ship made the<BR>
> > turn-over it missed the first time around!<BR>
><BR>
> The universe doesn't *have* a great circle as a possibility unless it<BR>
> is *closed*. Currently that looks kinda unlikely.<BR>
><BR>
> Even if it *is* closed, the length is *billions* of parsecs. In fact,<BR>
> there's no good reason that it'd even be *close* to the diameter of the<BR>
> *visible* universe. Thanks to inflation, the universe could anything<BR>
> from ten times that to a trillion or more times that.<BR>
<BR>
I didn't mean a great circle like you find on a spherical<BR>
body I just ment a very large one.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:10:15 -0800<BR>
From: "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
Subject: Re: chicks with guns, and 3I porno<BR>
<BR>
Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca> wrote:<BR>
<snip><BR>
>         I personally don't understand the modern requirement for the US<BR>
2nd<BR>
> Amendment, but then I am a Canuck.  That isn't flame-bait, its just me.<BR>
<BR>
Look at it this way.  Have you ever heard of criminals that<BR>
couldn't get pretty much whatever type of weapon they<BR>
wanted?  Criminals will always have weapons, usually<BR>
superior to those available to most public servants short<BR>
of SWAT teams.  So, if you removed the 2nd and<BR>
allowed the gun-control advocates to have thier way, the<BR>
only people who had guns would be the criminals.  Police<BR>
cannot protect us and never could.  The only way for<BR>
people to be safe is for them to protect themselves.<BR>
<BR>
I remember a few years ago Florida struck all gun-control<BR>
laws from thier books and encouraged the people to arm<BR>
themselves.  Crime rates dropped like a rock.  About 6<BR>
months later, I got a letter from a friend living in Orlando,<BR>
he commented that the only people being molested by<BR>
criminals were tourists.  He figured that most criminals<BR>
decided that if the neighbor was "prob'ly totin' iron" that it<BR>
would be safer to go for the out-of-towners.  Even so, the<BR>
crime rates are way down from what they were before the<BR>
change.<BR>
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